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	<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Should we expand this website in other directions? by Michael Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.antiquehorns.com/2008/08/18/should-we-expand-this-website-in-other-directions#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have played both keyed bugle in a cornet band setting and ophicleide in an orchestral 

I wouldn't mind participating, but the are some drawbacks.

First, I have not 'casting' equipment (camera, mic).  All I have is this lil 'ol pentium 4 box.

Second, due to my previous brain injury 10 years ago, my speech, though constantly improving, is still difficult for some to understand, and I'm not sure would project well.

I am enthusiatic about this site, and would support you in whatever way I can, however.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have played both keyed bugle in a cornet band setting and ophicleide in an orchestral </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind participating, but the are some drawbacks.</p>
<p>First, I have not &#8216;casting&#8217; equipment (camera, mic).  All I have is this lil &#8216;ol pentium 4 box.</p>
<p>Second, due to my previous brain injury 10 years ago, my speech, though constantly improving, is still difficult for some to understand, and I&#8217;m not sure would project well.</p>
<p>I am enthusiatic about this site, and would support you in whatever way I can, however.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stoelzel or Bluhmel   Who invented this valve system? by Robert Medley</title>
		<link>http://www.antiquehorns.com/2008/07/27/stoelzel-or-bluhmel-who-invented-this-valve-system#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Medley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments Niki,

Return to the website as often as you can. There are folks posting here who can really help  anyone learn a lot about antique brass instruments. The Vienna valve came in many different styles but died out before 1900 except with the Vienna symphony where it is used to this day.

Hope you have a safe trip back to Korea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Niki,</p>
<p>Return to the website as often as you can. There are folks posting here who can really help  anyone learn a lot about antique brass instruments. The Vienna valve came in many different styles but died out before 1900 except with the Vienna symphony where it is used to this day.</p>
<p>Hope you have a safe trip back to Korea!</p>
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		<title>Comment on To restore or not to restore by Robert Medley</title>
		<link>http://www.antiquehorns.com/2008/03/21/to-restore-or-not-to-restore#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Medley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your willingness to share Robb Stewarts restoration of your box valve cornet with us when he finishes. Robb appears to be "DA MAN" for restorations here in the U.S. I contacted him about my mystery box valve and he informed me that it could not be positively identified as a Hall &#38; Quinby horn, although it might possibly be a pre patent rendering of a similar design. Oh well, I know more now than I did 30 years ago when I acquired it.

Thanks for sharing your gallery of very interesting photos with us, and dont forget us when show and tell time comes when Robb finishes the restoration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your willingness to share Robb Stewarts restoration of your box valve cornet with us when he finishes. Robb appears to be &#8220;DA MAN&#8221; for restorations here in the U.S. I contacted him about my mystery box valve and he informed me that it could not be positively identified as a Hall &amp; Quinby horn, although it might possibly be a pre patent rendering of a similar design. Oh well, I know more now than I did 30 years ago when I acquired it.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your gallery of very interesting photos with us, and dont forget us when show and tell time comes when Robb finishes the restoration.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The OVER THE SHOULDER craze by Robert Medley</title>
		<link>http://www.antiquehorns.com/2008/07/09/the-over-the-shoulder-craze#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Medley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prattle on Jeff!  Its interesting and informative to get all points of view on the subject. After all, the OTS band is one of the most unique types of bands that one sees, and really wows audiences to this day after 150 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prattle on Jeff!  Its interesting and informative to get all points of view on the subject. After all, the OTS band is one of the most unique types of bands that one sees, and really wows audiences to this day after 150 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Battle of the Bands July 2006 by Robert Medley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Medley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with you on that one Jeff. Whenever we played Washington Grays, I always listened for the Eb cornet line and marveled that they were able to play that on the march. I do think though that the band was stationary and that the troops marched by the reviewing stand. I was also very relieved that I was playing an Eb Alto rather than a cornet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on that one Jeff. Whenever we played Washington Grays, I always listened for the Eb cornet line and marveled that they were able to play that on the march. I do think though that the band was stationary and that the troops marched by the reviewing stand. I was also very relieved that I was playing an Eb Alto rather than a cornet!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Battle of the Bands July 2006 by Jeff Stockham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stockham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grafulla pretty much gets my vote. I'm an Eb cornet player, and although I'd have dumped Grafulla's ex-sweetheart rather than play "Washington Grays" repeatedly, Grafulla's arrangements and compositions are second-to-none when it comes to Civil War brass band music. Although I must also give nods to David Downing (for instance, his "Iron Clad Quickstep" is marvelous), Gustavus Ingalls, and David C. Hall. But Grafulla really is "DA MAN!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grafulla pretty much gets my vote. I&#8217;m an Eb cornet player, and although I&#8217;d have dumped Grafulla&#8217;s ex-sweetheart rather than play &#8220;Washington Grays&#8221; repeatedly, Grafulla&#8217;s arrangements and compositions are second-to-none when it comes to Civil War brass band music. Although I must also give nods to David Downing (for instance, his &#8220;Iron Clad Quickstep&#8221; is marvelous), Gustavus Ingalls, and David C. Hall. But Grafulla really is &#8220;DA MAN!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on To restore or not to restore by Jeff Stockham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stockham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see a picture of my unrestored Hall &#38; Quinby box-valve Eb cornet at this URL: http://excelsiorcornetband.com/wst_page2.html ; it is the 3rd instrument on the page. This is apparently the only known Eb cornet by Hall &#38; Quinby with B.F. Quinby's patented (April 9, 1872) box valves to survive. I plan to have Robb Stewart restore it within a year or so. "After" pics will have to await Robb working his magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see a picture of my unrestored Hall &amp; Quinby box-valve Eb cornet at this URL: <a href="http://excelsiorcornetband.com/wst_page2.html" rel="nofollow">http://excelsiorcornetband.com/wst_page2.html</a> ; it is the 3rd instrument on the page. This is apparently the only known Eb cornet by Hall &amp; Quinby with B.F. Quinby&#8217;s patented (April 9, 1872) box valves to survive. I plan to have Robb Stewart restore it within a year or so. &#8220;After&#8221; pics will have to await Robb working his magic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The OVER THE SHOULDER craze by Jeff Stockham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Stockham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, great thread. My band performs on OTS horns whenever possible. It's been my experience that the sound produced by OTS instruments in a concert setup will carry sufficiently to an audience even when the bells point away from the listeners. When we are indoors, the direction of the bell doesn't matter much, because the sound will reflect off the surfaces behind the OTS players. Outdoors, we are sometimes in the open with no reflecting surfaces; in that case, they OTS horns do lose volume by being pointed away from the audience, but this is made up for by the veiled, mellow sound they produce in the open air, which blends very well. When playing on a bandstand, the OTS bells are naturally at about a 30-degree upward angle, and some of the sound will usually reflect off the ceiling of the bandstand, expecially in older gazebos that have peaked ceilings designed specifically to reflect the sound down and out to the audience. As for the option of playing in a circle, which was common for outdoor performances in the 19th century, I don't find it tenable for modern audiences--the visual impact for the audience of seeing these exotic OTS instruments is almost as important as the sound. Ditto for seating the OTS players with their backs to the audience. (We ain't Miles Davis...) Also, the sound produced with the bells pointing right at the audience is overly direct and does not blend as well as when the players face the audience. So for my band, as well as the Federal City Brass Band, in which I play Eb cornet, the OTS directionality-of-sound issue is a non-issue. A standard concert setup works just fine.

Another thing to consider is that these instruments were not as loud as our much heavier modern instruments, and were played in a much quieter environment without any of today's noise pollution--no background noise of constant traffic, jet airplanes, thumping car stereos, rumbling Harleys, etc. to impinge on the out-of-doors listening experience. For instance, in the pre-Civil War era, the West Point band would play at the top of the cliffs, and listeners in boats would congregate on the Hudson far below to listen to the concert. (No loud internal combustion motors on those boats, either!) So I think some of the issue lies with our modern expectations, rather than with deficiencies in the designs of the instruments, and that in an appropriate environment, they carry adequately with a mellow, well-blended tone.

As for Kenton's question about designing a more compact OTS tuba: It was definitely the balance issue. In my experience, the long bell balances the instrument handily on the shoulder and makes it much more comfortable and convenient to use in a marching situation than an upright horn, especially the huge monstrosities that pass for tubas these days! ;-)  One merely needs to be cognizant of the long dimensions of the bell and take a little extra care to not smack it into things such a tree limbs, door frames, and, of course, other OTS instruments. Surely, it's no more inconvenient to play on the march than a slide trombone, especially when countermarching! As for the sound, it still flows into both the player's ears, so you get a surprisingly conventional stereo feedback very similar to a bell-front instrument; although it is disconcerting at first to not see a bell in front of you!

The primary reason bands were located at the front of a column of soldiers (usually a regiment of over 1,000 men) was for the pageantry. This was the grandeur of war and patriotism, after all. On parade, the band would follow the color guard, or even lead it, with the drum major (if there was one) using his baton to direct the commands such as forward march, mark time, halt, turns, etc, as well as the musical roll-offs. The troops just followed whatever the band did in front of them, staying in step to the tunes. Having the band blaring and the flags streaming in the breeze at the head of a column is a sping-tingling visual effect. And many drum majors of the day were extremely impressive individuals; in a large bearskin shako, with a large red-white-and-blue hackle (plume) a drum major could top out at over 8 feet tall, while frequently performing impressive feats of twirling and throwing their large batons, and even playing solo passages on a handily concealed Eb cornet; all very flashy. Can't have THAT at the BACK of a column in a parade! Look up accounts of Matthew Arbuckle, who was drum major AND cornet soloist of Isaac Fiske's Band until he was lured away by a larger paycheck offered by Patrick Gilmore. 

OK, I've prattled enough..... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, great thread. My band performs on OTS horns whenever possible. It&#8217;s been my experience that the sound produced by OTS instruments in a concert setup will carry sufficiently to an audience even when the bells point away from the listeners. When we are indoors, the direction of the bell doesn&#8217;t matter much, because the sound will reflect off the surfaces behind the OTS players. Outdoors, we are sometimes in the open with no reflecting surfaces; in that case, they OTS horns do lose volume by being pointed away from the audience, but this is made up for by the veiled, mellow sound they produce in the open air, which blends very well. When playing on a bandstand, the OTS bells are naturally at about a 30-degree upward angle, and some of the sound will usually reflect off the ceiling of the bandstand, expecially in older gazebos that have peaked ceilings designed specifically to reflect the sound down and out to the audience. As for the option of playing in a circle, which was common for outdoor performances in the 19th century, I don&#8217;t find it tenable for modern audiences&#8211;the visual impact for the audience of seeing these exotic OTS instruments is almost as important as the sound. Ditto for seating the OTS players with their backs to the audience. (We ain&#8217;t Miles Davis&#8230;) Also, the sound produced with the bells pointing right at the audience is overly direct and does not blend as well as when the players face the audience. So for my band, as well as the Federal City Brass Band, in which I play Eb cornet, the OTS directionality-of-sound issue is a non-issue. A standard concert setup works just fine.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is that these instruments were not as loud as our much heavier modern instruments, and were played in a much quieter environment without any of today&#8217;s noise pollution&#8211;no background noise of constant traffic, jet airplanes, thumping car stereos, rumbling Harleys, etc. to impinge on the out-of-doors listening experience. For instance, in the pre-Civil War era, the West Point band would play at the top of the cliffs, and listeners in boats would congregate on the Hudson far below to listen to the concert. (No loud internal combustion motors on those boats, either!) So I think some of the issue lies with our modern expectations, rather than with deficiencies in the designs of the instruments, and that in an appropriate environment, they carry adequately with a mellow, well-blended tone.</p>
<p>As for Kenton&#8217;s question about designing a more compact OTS tuba: It was definitely the balance issue. In my experience, the long bell balances the instrument handily on the shoulder and makes it much more comfortable and convenient to use in a marching situation than an upright horn, especially the huge monstrosities that pass for tubas these days! <img src='http://www.antiquehorns.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  One merely needs to be cognizant of the long dimensions of the bell and take a little extra care to not smack it into things such a tree limbs, door frames, and, of course, other OTS instruments. Surely, it&#8217;s no more inconvenient to play on the march than a slide trombone, especially when countermarching! As for the sound, it still flows into both the player&#8217;s ears, so you get a surprisingly conventional stereo feedback very similar to a bell-front instrument; although it is disconcerting at first to not see a bell in front of you!</p>
<p>The primary reason bands were located at the front of a column of soldiers (usually a regiment of over 1,000 men) was for the pageantry. This was the grandeur of war and patriotism, after all. On parade, the band would follow the color guard, or even lead it, with the drum major (if there was one) using his baton to direct the commands such as forward march, mark time, halt, turns, etc, as well as the musical roll-offs. The troops just followed whatever the band did in front of them, staying in step to the tunes. Having the band blaring and the flags streaming in the breeze at the head of a column is a sping-tingling visual effect. And many drum majors of the day were extremely impressive individuals; in a large bearskin shako, with a large red-white-and-blue hackle (plume) a drum major could top out at over 8 feet tall, while frequently performing impressive feats of twirling and throwing their large batons, and even playing solo passages on a handily concealed Eb cornet; all very flashy. Can&#8217;t have THAT at the BACK of a column in a parade! Look up accounts of Matthew Arbuckle, who was drum major AND cornet soloist of Isaac Fiske&#8217;s Band until he was lured away by a larger paycheck offered by Patrick Gilmore. </p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;ve prattled enough&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.antiquehorns.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Stoelzel or Bluhmel   Who invented this valve system? by Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob and Gordon,
Great website.  Love the videocast technology, especially the video in video which I have never seen done online.   I now know more about Vienna valves than I ever thought I would.  I'm very impressed with the scope of the site and will be returning to listen to more audio and watch your videos.
Nicole (Melissa's friend)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob and Gordon,<br />
Great website.  Love the videocast technology, especially the video in video which I have never seen done online.   I now know more about Vienna valves than I ever thought I would.  I&#8217;m very impressed with the scope of the site and will be returning to listen to more audio and watch your videos.<br />
Nicole (Melissa&#8217;s friend)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The OVER THE SHOULDER craze by Robert Medley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Medley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in some cases, the officers or the commander himself bought the horns for the band. The bands were not always large and according to Dan Woolpert, not to great musically, considering some bands were made up of a collection of local farmboys. Some bands were very good and had a full compliment of instruments. According to Dan, they were taught by the person selected as band leader. The leader usually played the Eb cornet and was the most proficient musician in the band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in some cases, the officers or the commander himself bought the horns for the band. The bands were not always large and according to Dan Woolpert, not to great musically, considering some bands were made up of a collection of local farmboys. Some bands were very good and had a full compliment of instruments. According to Dan, they were taught by the person selected as band leader. The leader usually played the Eb cornet and was the most proficient musician in the band.</p>
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